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removing the irrelevant mention of Prussians from the paragraph on the Ukraine: 'The Gothic historian Jordanis (550 AD) wrote about the Aesti-Prussi and a Bajuvarian historian in 850 AD wrote about the Brus.'. Note, it should be Ostrogothic, Jordanes, and Bavarian.

--- Is really Vistula Gothic? I've read that both names Tyniec and Wisla (Vistual) are Celtic and are used as a proofs that Celts lived in southern Poland once... szopen

Wixel , Wicsel or Wyxel is the old German spelling on maps I have seen.

Celts and Germanic people lived in confederations in Germania. (Keltic-Germanic Lugier, Lygier, Vandali. Markomanni- Boii-Suebi (men of the Mark)etc.

Poland did not come into existence till a thousand years later. Therefore Kelts did not have lived in Poland ( even though some areas, where Kelts in Germania lived, came in 1945 under Poland)

Goths lived between Baltic Sea and in all of Ukraine to Black Sea (Krim Goths) . Later city of Kiev was called Danapirstadir in Gothic. H. Jonat


I am not a linguist, so i can't argue here. However i used Poland in geographical sense, to describe territories which are called Little Poland and which from 990 or earlier to partitions were Polish. I've read that Celtic presence in Little Poland was quite strong, and as arguments in that book were given names like Vistula and Tyniec, but since, again, i am not a linguist, i have to believe to ethymology given in that book.

I've also read once that Goths indeed lived in Ukraine, but they live amongs Slavic tribes (since generally from two theories about origin of the Slavs, theory which place their homeland between Wisla and Dnieper is more probably than that which place that homeland between Odra and Wisla. szopen